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From: Pam Dunn <>
Subject: [NIR-ARMAGH-L] 1851 Census
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:51:16 -0700 (PDT)

Hello Everyone-

I've gotten a bunch of emails asking where I found the 1851 census for
Ireland. It was a veryyy big surprise to me also. I was researching the
old age pension claims for Northern Ireland. The claims' proof was
based on the 1851 census. These are available on LDS films from Salt
Lake City.

But don't rush out to get it. There are several problems. The biggest
being that not everyone or their family applied for the claims or were
eligible. ie: The weavers in my family had applied but the farmers did
not. I guess these are just the few that had survived.

Perhaps someone more knowledgable about the pension system can fill us
all in on what the requirements were for qualifying.

Most of the counties only have the claims but often on the claims the
information from the census is listed including siblings (sometimes
very faintly). It lists parents names, place of residence and age of
the claimant at the time of the census. Mother's maiden names are
sometimes listed.

I was very surprised when I got reel #1 that was supposed to cover Co
Armagh. Instead of a copy of the claim, it had a number copies of the
actual 1851 census and then finished with the claim forms.

NOTE!! THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THE CENSUS FORMS ON THE FILM. They
definitely do not cover the whole county. I just lucked out that my
family happened to be one of them. People might have a greater
expectation of finding family on the regular pension claims forms.

Hope this helps everyone. Good luck-Pam Dunn
--- wrote:
> To Pam Dunn, who asked about the Sturgeons, and
> about Hacknahay in Co. Armagh:
>
> Hi Pam - for starters, I'll ask the same question
> someone else asked - where
> did you find an 1851 Cansus? I'd sure love to see
> that, but thought it was
> burned in the great fire in 1922. Please let us
> know if you've found a copy
> somewhere!
>
> As for Hacknahay - it's a townland in Seagoe Parish,
> in the northeastern part
> of Co. Armagh. Neighboring townlands are
> Knocknamuckley, Ballygargan,
> Ballynaghy, and Ballydonaghy. It's also very close
> to Co. Down. My
> great-grandparents, William McMurray and Ann Jane
> Lockhart, were married in
> 1844 in the Church of Ireland church of
> Knocknamuckley; however, the church
> building wasn't completed yet, and the ceremony took
> place in the Hacknahay
> school building!
>
> As for the Sturgeons - I keep running into that
> name. There must have been
> lots of them around. The daughter of one of my
> grandfather's brothers (her
> name was Marry Ann McMurray) married England George
> Sturgeon. (With that
> name, he must have been related to your Sturgeons)!
> He was born in
> Drumnacanvy, they were married in the Seagoe Parish
> Church (C.of I.) in 1909,
> and they emigrated to Massachusetts. I've just
> found the names of some of
> the brothers and sisters of Ann Jane Lockhart, and
> two of them also married
> Sturgeons. Thomas Lockhart married Mary Sturgeon,
> and John Lockhart married
> Elizabeth Jane (Betsy) Sturgeon. Both of these
> families emigrated to
> Ontario. Incidentally, the Lockhart family was in
> Co. Down.
>
> I hope we'll be able to put some of this information
> together, and find out
> more about all of those families! Let me hear what
> you think! Jerry
> (Marjorie) Scott
>
>

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