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From: Deborah B Naylor/Farhar <>
Subject: [NJHUNTER] Stout family tree
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:11:16 -0500


Following is some information I have in relation to the subject of Penelope
( - ) STOUT, wife of Richard. Retyped exactly as photocopied.

There are many researching this line and at present, I think my resources
can best be used by just passing on the information I noted as "To check
into at a later date!"

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In the Deats Genealogical File at Hunterdon County Historical Society, in a
letter from Dr. Wm. M. Mitchell, date reference "after Aug. 28-29-30-31",
to H.E. Deats [possibly the only surviving correspondence from Dr.
Mitchell. Hopewell Museum told me on a visit in 1995, "After the STOUT
Chart was made by ??, we throw out all the papers!"]

"Friend Deats,

I really FORGOT if I wrote you after my South Jersey Trip of Aug.
28-29-30-31. When I visited ... ending up with a full day in the Penn Hist.
Soc. in Phila.

I did secure a lot of material that will all work out in good. Now I am
planning another STOUT SCOUT. This time to BOSTON. My principal object is
to visit the Historical General of the Mayflower As'sn. But I have another
reason and perhaps historically more important to us STOUTS.

Now what I have in view is the Antecedants of GRANDMOTHER PENOLOPE! You
are familiar with the Old Tradition that has taken vogue since 1723 when
Smith's History of N.J. was penned. To start in at this late date to write
Cold Historical Facts omitting Romance and Tradition will cause a Sensation
yet there is so much that now points toward the parents of Penelope that I
feel that it should be investigated and if not proven then dismissed from
our minds.

Mr. Teeter has long thought that Penelope might not have been Dutch. Mrs.
Cox of Chicago too has looked into the matter as well as she could in the
Newberry Library in Chicago. I have been splicing notes together for a
possible trip to Boston.

Now I will synthatically work up here a little Hypothisis that I
half-believe is historically more truth than our tradition yet so much in
harmony with it as to give rise to the Traition as we have it to day
practically unchange for three hundred years in America.

The Reverand Dr. John Prince of Sheffield, England was the father of three
sons and seven daughters. Being a non-conformist he suffered the
presecutions of the period and like others left England for Holland or if
did not at least some of his children did later.

One of these sons Jonathan Prince came to New England where he married
Alice Hower. It is now thought by a few of us that His sister X___ came to
New England like the pilgrims from Holland and settled either at Salem,
Mass, or in Rhode Island.

Following the exdous of the Neighbors of Lady Moody augmented by some
settlers from Rhode Island came to New Netherlands 1637-40 and became
Neighbors of Nichollas Stillwell on Manhattan Island on the East River
shore opposite Blackwell's Island. The settlement was known as Hopton and
from it was organized an English Company in the Dutch Service to protect
New Amsterdam from the "REDS".

The murder of some Indians in Jersey City by the Dutch gave rise to a
General Indian upraising. Hopton was "Wiped out" with the exception of the
Fortified Dwelling of Stillwell which his neighbors retreated. To retreat
later on to New Amsterdam under the protection of the FORT.

It is from here, that this group of English Settlers Chose and were
assigned the Gravesend Patent from here on our History is fairly well
recorded.

We find the women we know as Penelope Van Princess mentioned as Penelope
Prince in Gravesend an inmate of the home of Thomas Applegate in 1648. That
(2) She was a Sister of Jonathan Prince of Salem, Mass. is possible.
That she received her historic wounds in the Battle of Hopton seems
plausable, that she came from to America from Holland is truth. She married
Richard Stout between Oct. 13th. 1648 and Jan. 1. 1649.

Now that I have given you this hypothetical Scenario, I will say that the
Salient points are most probably FACTS. The First doubt in my mind as to
Penelope's DUTCH Ancestry was not only her Greek name, but that we find her
associated with the Gravesend People who were English. Were she Dutch she
would more than likely have remained on Manhattan, in New Amsterdam.
Again Richard Stout was evidently on the Site of Gravesend some time prior
to the granting of the Lady Moody Patent as it is called for he as
associated with Anthony Johnson at Salem - in - the - Bay. in Oct. 1643.
We can understand why Stout being English would be identified with the
English Speaking Settlement under the Dutch West India Company's Rule and
we have reported that he was too a member of the Dutch Garrison at New
Amsterdam's Fort.

Now I would suggest that you think this matter over a wee bit and advise as
if you can any points that may occur to your mind that would be like to
assist me in Boston in my Research.

Hope that both Mrs. D. & yourself are well, that Crops have been abundant
and profitable this year.

Truly yours,

Signed
Wm. H. Mitchell

Letter dated "arr Jan 8, 1923(5)"

Friend Deats, :---

The Holiays are not only with us but are almost over. I had planned much to
do both at home and abroard during this period and now Thursay is here and
to tell the truth nothing done.. ....

I stole off for Dec. 1-2 and took a trip to Boston to follow up the
Bonham-Fuller Mayflower lines and to look into the Prince Family in the
effort to secure the Parentage of Penelope. I spent two full days in the
N.E. Historical Society Library and one evening in the Boston Public. I
came home just exactly as wise as I went. Did not make one step forward."



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Message text written by INTERNET:
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Hi Deborah
Penelope and Richard Stout are 7th great-grandparents of mine I have
known
about the story of the Indians for quite a while, but have just started to
do
a little more research to see what else might show up and to find out who
here first husband was. Why her parents left England?
If you have any other information I would be grateful if you could send
it
to me.
Thanks,


Jim Stephens <

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