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From: "Miriam Nixon" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results 113987
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:24:31 -0500
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The same story of the three brothers was passed along in my family as well.
That is why we never believed that Bruce Howard had it right in his book.

As it turns out, DNA evidence gives credence to the story. There are exact
matches between ancestors of William, the eldest brother (my line) and John,
the middle brother. We are looking for male descendents of Dempsey, the
youngest brother for further testing. Census records show they were all in
Clarke County for a time. William, my ancestor, is buried there. Most of
them moved on to MS, AR, and TX, etc.

As I understand it, DNA evidence also shows they are a distinct Pace line,
and could not have descended from the John of Middlesex and Richard Pace
lines.

Hope to see you at the reunion!

Miriam Nixon



----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Long Carey" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results 113987


> Do we know that all three sons went to Alabama. ? and do we know there is
> definitely no connection to the
> John Pace Of Middlesex Group. ? Is the DNA different.?
> The DNA from my family ties us to John of Middlesex. , However, My
> grgrandfather was born in 1809.
> No documention of his birth but assumed to be in Virginia.There was a
> Fanny
> Cosby living with my family in 1900
> who was born in Alabama. I believe the census shows her name to be Louisa
> J.
> Cosby. ,but the married her husband
> ,Edwin N.Cosby , a widower from Louisa county, va after her return from
> Alabama. We think she may have been
> born to a Mr. Lane and Eliza Flanagan who left Va , went to Alabama and
> returned. She was supposed to be
> Part Cherokee.
> My mother always told me the story of three brothers from Wales who came
> to
> the U.S, one of which was a ancestor.
> Who Might that be?? is the question that keeps coming up.?
>
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> Please note: My new email address is . Please remove
> from your address books and files so that we can stay in
> touch!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janders 45" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results 113987
>
>
>> This makes our fifth sample from the Frederick of Wales group, so let me
>> outline the situation for those who don't follow this group closely.
>> Frederick had three sons, all of whom moved to Clarke Co, AL, between
>> 1809
>> and 1822. These sons were, by age:
>>
>> 1. William
>> 2. John
>> 3. Dempsey
>>
>> For several years, we have had samples from 3 closely related donors
>> (father, son, uncle), all of whom descend from one son of John. About a
>> year ago, we obtained results from a donor who descends from a second son
>> of John. The results reported by Roy yesterday are from a donor who
>> descends from William, the brother of John and the eldest son of
>> Frederick.
>>
>> These results are important in that they provide additional evidence that
>> allows us to choose between conflicting theories about this group:
>>
>> 1. Descent from Frederick Pace who immigrated to the colonies not long
>> before the Revolution. This version is supported by several old sources,
>> most notably by the biography of Dr. Jesse M. Pace of Dallas.
>>
>> 2. Descent from John (the Tory) Pace m. Sarah and, through him, back to
>> Richard of Jamestown. This version originated in the speculations of
>> Bruce Howard in his book. To make this version work, Mr. Howard had to
>> assume that the Pace brothers who moved to Clarke Co had lied about who
>> their father was.
>>
>> Since the five samples match each other and do not match descendents of
>> John the Tory nor any other Pace group, I think that we can safely
>> conclude that Mr. Howard's theory has been conclusively disproved.
>>
>> Joe Anderson
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: > To: > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008
>>> 19:17:48 -0500> Subject: [PACE] Preliminary results 113987> > Results
>>> 1-12 are in and show a perfect match for the modal in the Wales> group.
>>> Here is the lineage:> > > > 1. Donor> > 2. Father> > 3. Grandfather>
>>> William Earle Pace> born August 1875> > 4. John J. Pace> born 1840 in
>>> Clarke Co, AL> > 5. Dempsey P. Pace> born 1810 in Wilkinson Co, GA> > 6.
>>> William Pace> born abt 1757> died June 1826 in Clarke Co, AL> > > > More
>>> proof that this is a unique group. The rest of the results should be in>
>>> soon.> > > > I have entered these results in the Wales chart and on the
>>> Donors page.> > > > Roy Johnson
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