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From: Robert Webb <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results 113987
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:44:55 -0500
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Job well done, Miriam and Joe. And I'm glad to hear you are still
looking for a donor from the Dempsey line. Exciting stuff!

Bob Webb

On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Miriam Nixon wrote:

> The same story of the three brothers was passed along in my family as
> well.
> That is why we never believed that Bruce Howard had it right in his
> book.
>
> As it turns out, DNA evidence gives credence to the story. There are
> exact
> matches between ancestors of William, the eldest brother (my line) and
> John,
> the middle brother. We are looking for male descendents of Dempsey,
> the
> youngest brother for further testing. Census records show they were
> all in
> Clarke County for a time. William, my ancestor, is buried there.
> Most of
> them moved on to MS, AR, and TX, etc.
>
> As I understand it, DNA evidence also shows they are a distinct Pace
> line,
> and could not have descended from the John of Middlesex and Richard
> Pace
> lines.
>
> Hope to see you at the reunion!
>
> Miriam Nixon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lois Long Carey" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results
> 113987
>
>
>> Do we know that all three sons went to Alabama. ? and do we know
>> there is
>> definitely no connection to the
>> John Pace Of Middlesex Group. ? Is the DNA different.?
>> The DNA from my family ties us to John of Middlesex. , However, My
>> grgrandfather was born in 1809.
>> No documention of his birth but assumed to be in Virginia.There was a
>> Fanny
>> Cosby living with my family in 1900
>> who was born in Alabama. I believe the census shows her name to be
>> Louisa
>> J.
>> Cosby. ,but the married her husband
>> ,Edwin N.Cosby , a widower from Louisa county, va after her return
>> from
>> Alabama. We think she may have been
>> born to a Mr. Lane and Eliza Flanagan who left Va , went to Alabama
>> and
>> returned. She was supposed to be
>> Part Cherokee.
>> My mother always told me the story of three brothers from Wales who
>> came
>> to
>> the U.S, one of which was a ancestor.
>> Who Might that be?? is the question that keeps coming up.?
>>
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> Please note: My new email address is . Please
>> remove
>> from your address books and files so that we can stay
>> in
>> touch!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janders 45" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:42 AM
>> Subject: [PACE] Frederick of Wales group - Preliminary results 113987
>>
>>
>>> This makes our fifth sample from the Frederick of Wales group, so
>>> let me
>>> outline the situation for those who don't follow this group closely.
>>> Frederick had three sons, all of whom moved to Clarke Co, AL, between
>>> 1809
>>> and 1822. These sons were, by age:
>>>
>>> 1. William
>>> 2. John
>>> 3. Dempsey
>>>
>>> For several years, we have had samples from 3 closely related donors
>>> (father, son, uncle), all of whom descend from one son of John.
>>> About a
>>> year ago, we obtained results from a donor who descends from a
>>> second son
>>> of John. The results reported by Roy yesterday are from a donor who
>>> descends from William, the brother of John and the eldest son of
>>> Frederick.
>>>
>>> These results are important in that they provide additional evidence
>>> that
>>> allows us to choose between conflicting theories about this group:
>>>
>>> 1. Descent from Frederick Pace who immigrated to the colonies not
>>> long
>>> before the Revolution. This version is supported by several old
>>> sources,
>>> most notably by the biography of Dr. Jesse M. Pace of Dallas.
>>>
>>> 2. Descent from John (the Tory) Pace m. Sarah and, through him,
>>> back to
>>> Richard of Jamestown. This version originated in the speculations of
>>> Bruce Howard in his book. To make this version work, Mr. Howard had
>>> to
>>> assume that the Pace brothers who moved to Clarke Co had lied about
>>> who
>>> their father was.
>>>
>>> Since the five samples match each other and do not match descendents
>>> of
>>> John the Tory nor any other Pace group, I think that we can safely
>>> conclude that Mr. Howard's theory has been conclusively disproved.
>>>
>>> Joe Anderson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: > To: > Date: Wed, 16 Apr
>>>> 2008
>>>> 19:17:48 -0500> Subject: [PACE] Preliminary results 113987> >
>>>> Results
>>>> 1-12 are in and show a perfect match for the modal in the Wales>
>>>> group.
>>>> Here is the lineage:> > > > 1. Donor> > 2. Father> > 3. Grandfather>
>>>> William Earle Pace> born August 1875> > 4. John J. Pace> born 1840
>>>> in
>>>> Clarke Co, AL> > 5. Dempsey P. Pace> born 1810 in Wilkinson Co, GA>
>>>> > 6.
>>>> William Pace> born abt 1757> died June 1826 in Clarke Co, AL> > > >
>>>> More
>>>> proof that this is a unique group. The rest of the results should
>>>> be in>
>>>> soon.> > > > I have entered these results in the Wales chart and on
>>>> the
>>>> Donors page.> > > > Roy Johnson
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