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Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:46 -0400
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Marianne,
Thank you for you reply, like you said I'm keeping a open mind.
I have a photo copy of her Obituary and I can say that Ellen Barney
married James Piatt and Moses Lowden. But you rite
I don't have any girls born to Ellen. I'll keep looking
Thank You
Dave
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From: Marianne Pyeatt <>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PIATT] James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt
> Just some comments, I certainly haven't studied this as you have. From an
> outsider's perspective, the Ellen Louden is not the same as the Ellen
Piatt
> from 1870. That's my opinion based on the fact that she didn't have a
> daughter, Millie, aged 8 on the 1870 census. I agree that if I were
marrying
> a man aged 29 and I was older - that I would shave off as many years as
> possible. But, I probably wouldn't take any age off of the children. How
> sure are you of the date of death for Ellen? Do you have an obituary or
> headstone to back up the year? This is a mistake I often make - I don't
> always write down the date from the top of the enumeration page. If you
had
> it for the 1870 census, you could see exactly how old your George would
have
> been on the day of the enumeration. I think your George's don't come very
> close unless their was an error in recording one of the dates/age. I would
> also have shaved off 10 years if I was 4 years older than my husband in
> 1870. I have seen other families that 'mirror' each other, they are
usually
> first cousins and naming children for the same grandparents. I might take
a
> stab at the 9 year difference in the ages of the 1880 Piatt children -
> possibly the 18 daughter had the 1 year old child, but, could not claim it
> as her own. That did go on then, as it does now. I would suggest that you
> keep an open mind to these not being the same people and it will help you
to
> possibly find the 'right' ones - if these are not. Sorry I couldn't be
more
> help. Marianne
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:06:10 -0400, wrote:
>
> > James J And Ellen (Barney) Piatt Lowdan/Loudad
> > How old was Ellen Barney? If our Ellen is the one in the 1850 census
she
> would have
> > been 4 or 5 years younger then James, and would have been the right age
> the attract a
> > young James. If James was 20 and Ellen 16 when married then the time
> would have right
> > in 1870 to have son George 13 (although I have his date as 10/22/1854)
A
> year here are
> > there may be expanded by the date the census was taken.
> >
> > But this data raises as many question as it gives answers. Ellen's
death
> certificate
> > shows her birth date as Dec 25, 1830. This would make her 4 years older
> then James
> > and the wrong age for the 1870 census, The census that most closely
> matches the family
> > as noted by Fred Piatt (my grandfather) a son for George Piatt.
> >
> > Fred didn't list any sisters of this George so then how is Sarah P in
> 1870 and Millie 1880.
> >
> > If the family in 1880 is that of James, he couldn't have been the
father
> of Carrie.
> > It is hard for me to believe the two families living so close could be
so
> close in names and dates.
> >
> > John and Sarah (Behee) Barney lived "on the homestead" at Belree Mill
> (Behee Mill?) in
> > Hanover, Pa. They had "several children," including John C. Barney, b.
> 1827."
> > This also seems to be the John and Sarah Barney on the
> > 1850 federal census of
> > Huntington,
> > Luzerne Co., Pa., p.279:
> > Barney, John age 52
> > Barney, Sarah age 41
> > Barney, Charles age 20
> > Barney, Elizabeth age 17
> > Barney, Ellen age 11 (1839)
> > Barney, Mary age 6
> > Barney, John age 3
> >
> > In 1850 in Luzerne Co, Huntington Twp, page 312, family 2102/2135
> > Jonas Hoyt 29 M Farmer
> > Sarah Hoyt 25 F
> > Adelia Hoyt 2 F
> > Sylvivia Hoyt 1 F
> > James Piatt 16 M Farmer (1834)
> > Oliver Sharps 12 M
> >
> > On the 1870 Census
> > Plymouth Township
> > Piatt, James 36 M W Carpenter $100 PA (1834)
> > Ellen 30 F W Keepinghouse. PA (1840)
> > George E 13 M W PA (1857)
> > Robert R 11 M W PA (1859)
> > Sarah P 10 F W PA (1860)
> > Charles W 5 M W PA (1865)
> >
> >
> > On the 1880 Census
> > 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Ward, Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
> > FHL Film 1255151 National Archives Film T9-1151 Page 424C
> > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
> > M. C Loudan Self M M W 29 PA
> > Ellen Loudan Wife F M W 38 PA (1842)*
> > Millie Pyatt Dau F M W 18 PA (1862)
> > Chas Pyatt Son M S W 14 PA (1866)
> > Ulyssis Pyatt Son M S W 10 PA (1870)(I had 1872)
> > Carrie Pyatt Dau F S W 1 PA (1879) **
> >
> >
> > * After James died. She may have taken a few years off of her age
> > (and her children's) and married a "younger" man! Shocking for the
times.
> >
> > **If James died in 1972 he couldn't have been the father
> >
> > Please Help
> >
> > David C. Piatt
> > Shelby Twp. Mich.
> >
> >
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