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Subject: Re: [REEB-ROOTS-L] my line
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:37:09 EDT
Lisa, I am sorry to have to tell you but it is impossible for Philipp Karcher
who married Catharina Eisenmann to have been a son of Johann Philipp Karcher
and Anna Margaretha REEB. They had one son in 1725 named Philipp and he died
in infancy. I am wondering if you are the same person who wrote to me some
time ago and inquired about Anna Margaretha REEB? If you were, I think I
must have explained to you then that years ago, I made a mistake about the
Philip Karcher who settled in North Carolina. Anyway, I will explain here so
that the other members on this list understand what exactly is being
discussed.
Years ago, I had corresponded with some of the Karcher/Carriker/Karriker
descendants in North Carolina who were trying to trace their family back to
Europe etc. I was very interested in their Philip Karcher since I had a copy
of a survey that showed his land very near that of our ancestor Johann Peter
(REEB) Rape. At that time I had thought it was possible that most of the
Germans who settled near where Peter REEB lived might be from the same part
of Europe. Then when I did finally locate our REEB ancestors in Europe, I
learned about Anna Margaretha REEB who married Johann Philipp Karcher from
Dillenburg, Germany. When I first found record of their children and saw
they had a son named Johann Philip Karcher born in 1725 only a year later
than Johann Peter REEB, I was very excited and notified Mr. John Karriker of
N.C. but it was my mistake, because soon afterwards, I found the record that
showed that Philipp Karcher born 1725 died. I then did notify everyone who I
had informed about my mistake but I am affraid that since you are now
referring to this same person, that the word got passed around by John
Karriker before I had corrected the information.
Now that said, I do want to take this opportunity to explain something that
does give a hint as to an indirect connection of Philipp Karcher in N.C. to
Peter REEB.
In the family history of the REEB family in Pisdorf, Nassau-Saarwerden (now
Bischtroff-sur-Sarre, France) there was a family by the name of Eisenmann.
The husband was Johann Nicolaus Eisenmann. There were three different
baptisms in the Eisenmann family where the REEB family served as godparents
in Nassau-Saarwerden. But the one which is most interesting to me is the
baptismal record on 9 Jul 1716 when Gustavus REEB, who was then a young
unmarried man and Anna Margaretha STROH, (who later married Gustavus REEB)
were both named as godparents to Anna Margaretha Eisenmann, daughter of
Johann Nicolaus Eisenmann and Maria Magdalena Marx.
That child, Anna Margaretha Eisenmann, later married on 25 Jan 1746 to Hans
Martin Fahringer (Varinger). Then a few years later in 1752, when the ship
HALIFAX arrived Philadelphia among the passengers were: Martin Varinger
(Fahringer) and on the same ship was Peter REEB. A few years later a son was
baptized in St. Micheals Lutheran Church in Philadelphia and named Johann
Nicolaus Vahringer on 10 May 1761. As you can see typical of one of the
German naming patterns, the child was named after his grandfather in Pisdorf.
One of the sponsors named at this baptism was no other than Peter REEB. In
1759, a boy Johann Peter REEB was baptized in that same church...he is my
gr.gr.gr.gr. grandfather. that is part of the story.
Also a few years ago I was in contact with descendants of the Altmann family
who were involved in Altmann genealogy. Although I had found no relationship
of kin between the REEB family and the Eisenmann family or of the Reeb family
an dthe Altmann family, I was nevertheless interested in Altmann since I was
looking for a possible link between the Eisenmann family and the REEB family.
Well there was a connection or two between the Eisenmann family and the
Altmann family as a Johann Jacob Altmann had married an Eisenmann wife in the
Nassau-Saarwerden area. Also there was a connection between our REEB family
and the Stroh family as I mentioned above. And in the U.S. there was a
relation between the Altmann family and the Stroh family when Jacob Stroh
married Catharina Altmann, who was a daughter of Jacob Altmann and Maria
Eisenmann. I made contact with Mrs. Phylis Miller, who is both an Altmann
and Eisenmann descendant in more ways than one. She brought it to my
attention that a Philipp Karcher had married Catharina Eisenmann. At this
moment I don't have the papers in front of me but I do have the details
somewhere.
To me this did offer strong evidence that this Philipp Karcher was indeed the
same Philipp Karcher who settled in North Carolina near Peter (Reeb) Rape.
My reason for saying this is because there was another marriage in Pa.
between an Eisenmann woman and a man by the name of John Paul Barringer.
John Paul Barringer and his Eisenmann wife, had a son also named John
Barringer. The Barringer family was one of the most prominent German famiies
in North Carolina. In fact, at some time following the Revolutionary war
George Washington visited North Carolina and when he visited in what they
called Dutch Buffalo Creek, which was the name they gave to the German
settlement in then Mecklenburg County, he was hosted by John Paul Barringer.
Anyway, my point is that in 1775 John Barringer and Peter Rape were the
witnesses to a sale of land within the Fischer family. Peter Reeb was the
signature of our ancestor on the deed but beneath it someone wrote in Peter
Rape to identify him. This John Barringer was a son of John Paul Barringer
and his Eisenmann wife. This proven information was the basis for my belief
that Philipp Karcher in NC was the husband of Catharina Eisenmann. But who
Philipp Karcher was I do not know. I did spend about three or four years
tryng to find him in European records and in further Pennsylvania records. I
had heard of him long ago from another person in Ohio but at that time did
not identify to the Eisenmann name etc.
John V. Reeb
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