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From: "Charles A. Wyly" <>
Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Re: 'junk' and other things...
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:47:17 -0500


Hi, Jerry, guess you know my Coffee ancestor was the mother of Col. Ben
Cleveland of Rev. War . Are you on the Coffee - coffey unofficial
mailing list? Some on here are.

Col. John Coffee Hayes , Texas Rangers, who fought off a band of Indians
from the 6740 acre Red granite mountain- Enchanted Rock- near Marble
Falls, Texas.

Some say he was named for a Confederate Army officer , Coffee, and others
say he was a Coffee descendant. Wonder if both are right if one followed
t2 or more lines of Coffees??

Take care,
Charles A. wyly

On Tue, 8 May 2001 08:48:57 -0500 "Coffee" <> writes:
> My great grandfather Joshua David Coffee was in the 14th Brigade
> of the
> Orangeville Independent Home Guard in Fannin County Texas. They
> were known
> as "heel-flies" by the local people. They had the authority of
> unlimited
> search and seizure and were mainly used to round up diserters and
> draft
> dodgers from the Confederate Army. They often hung them on the spot.
> They
> were similar to a Confederate "gestapo". After the War of Southern
> Indepandence was over, the Federal Authorities considered these men
> Confederate guerillas and were to de arrested and possibly hung. The
> Home
> Guard brigade escorted a number of the prisoners to Fort Towson in
> the
> Indian Territory. This abandoned Union Army garrison was being used
> by the
> Confederate Army as a prison camp.
>
> In 1865, the Union League was formed in "Five Corners Area" of
> Collin,
> Grayson, Hunt and Fannin Counties and hostilities continued between
> that
> organization and Confederate sympathsizers until 1875. This area
> of Texas
> did not vote to secede from the Union in 1860 but was compelled to
> by the
> Texas Confederate government. My great grandfather migrated to
> the Texas
> frontier in Brown County in 1877 to avoid repriations imposed by the
> Federals and the contining strife in the Five Corners area. My
> great
> grandfather's older brother, Sgt. John James Coffee, maigrated to
> McDonald
> County Missouri, then back to Texas near Lubbock later in the
> century.
>
> My father told me that Joshua hardly spoke of his activities in
> the
> Home Guard, that is probably because he told my father that he
> never took
> the oath to The Union after the war was over. In the spring of 1863,
> the
> 14th Brigade of the Home Guard escorted William Clarke Quantrill,
> Bloody
> Bill Anderson and their 500 man regiment of irregular light cavalry
> out of
> Texas from their camp on Little Mineral Creek in Grayson County.
> They were
> in Texas after they fled Missouri following the Lawrence Kansas
> Raid and
> wintered near Holland Coffee's Trading Post on the Red River.
> General
> Henry Eustace McCullough was the cammander of the Home Guard Units
> in the
> North Texas District with Headquarters in Bonham, Texas. According
> to
> evidence found after an investigation the Butts' killing, it was
> determined
> that some of Quantrill's men robbbed and murdered Sophia
> Suttonfield-Coffee-Porter-Butts' husband, Colonel Butts, when he was
> returning from a cotton sale in Sherman, Texas. General McCullough
> after
> hearing the evidence, sent the Orangeville Independent Home Guard to
> arrest
> the murderers and return them to Sherman for trial. During the trip
> to
> Sherman, the Home Guard received a dispatch from McCullough's
> Bonham
> Headquarters to escort the men to the Indian Territory and release
> them on
> the condition that they never come back to Texas.
>
> Jerry Coffee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles A. Wyly <>
> To: <>
> Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Re: 'junk' and other things...
>
>
> >Hi,
> >there were supporters of the Union in several Confederate states,
> such
> >as the Texas German immigrants (Some of them) , those in Arkansas,
> and
> >Missouri. In Arkansas, some lived in caves to avoid the draft. Some
> were
> >forced to serve in the Partisan Rangers and some in the Union Army.
> Jesse
> > Woodson James and The Quantrills and Youngers were part of the
> Rebel
> >Army who fought abuses of the Partisan Rangers and then the
> Carpetbaggers
> >passed a new Missouri Constitution which said anyone who had
> served in
> >the Confederate Army could not vote, hold office or pastor a church
> or
> >serve as a Deacon. Jesse James's dad was a Baptist Minister. Jesse
> did
> >not smoke, chew, or drink and refused to work with drunks, as they
> would
> >"Get you killed" . Wonder how how the man buried face down in
> Jesse's
> >"Grave" in Missouri got badly stained teeth from years of chewing
> and
> >dipping tobacco??? Recent DNA tests only prove if one is descended
> from
> >that corpse without positive proof by DNA of living known survivors
> of
> >Jesse.
> >
> > Now I know why so many from Missouri such as my Great Grandad
> Moxley
> >and the Flemings, Ogans,Ponsealots, and many more, including the
> >families of Gov. Augustus King moved to Stephenville- Erath County.
> >Texas. many came by Coverred Wagon. Remember, these people had all
> been
> >pardoned by Abraham Lincoln, but that meant nothing to the Kansas
> >Jayhawkers and other Union supporters , who were invited to come to
> >Missouri and be part of the Carpetbag rule. .
> >
> >The Partisan- (Partizan) Rangers were the Confederate Home Front
> Guard-
> >in Texas they were Partizan Rangers. Some tried to protect the home
> front
> > from Roving Indians and Comancheros and did an excellent job-and
> tried
> >to stop the abuse of power - others used it in Texas as an
> excuse to
> >kill and plunder German and isolated homes and blame it on Indians
> or
> >"German Outlaw Sympathisers" and hang or shoot captives- see info
> on the
> >Old Comfort, Texas School Ground, for names of Texas German
> Immigrants
> >massacred - sometimes called the Battle of Neuces by Anglo papers-
> the
> >monument said "Trueter De Union- True to the Union".They were
> trying to
> >get to Mexico like so many Americans went to Canada in Korean &
> Vietnam
> >War- religious or Political pacificists.
> >
> >Pardon me, you asked about Florida- not sure of a direct answer. My
> >Double first Cousin is completing her Ph. D..in history to teach
> in
> >Florida Colleges. She has checked out Seminole tales of some being
> from
> >The Great Lakes Indian tribes, neighbors of the Algoniquins, who
> were
> >captured by deciet and sold in the Caribeans as slaves where the
> Africans
> >were dying of tropical diseases. Many escaped in or on anything
> which
> >would float and came to Florida and Joined the Seminoles. She has
> enough
> >documentation to satisfy some Grad school profs.
> >
> >Another cousin is a writer of guides for Florida Schools.
> >
> >Oh, yes the Confederate Army paid Black soldiers the same pay as
> Whites-
> >all Blacks were in integrated units. The Union Army paid "Buffalo
> >Soldiers: 2/3 the pay that a White got and were in segregated units
> until
> >1890's and we did not fully integrate the Army until 1950. I was in
> one
> >of the first Heavy Tank Integrated Units. Could it be that one of
> the 2
> >Calvary you mentioned was a band of Seminole and Blacks who
> volunteered
> >as a unit? There was a unit from New Orleans , all Black, who
> marched in
> >rank to join the Confederate Army some officers did not trust them,
> so
> >they went north and joined the Union Army. Either way, it was a job
> and a
> >chance for instant freedom. - a win-win situation.
> >
> >Take care,
> >Charles .a, ?wyly
> >
> >On Mon, 7 May 2001 16:56:06 -0400 <> writes:
> >> It is so sad to see someone consider the wonderful information
> we
> >> have been
> >> being blessed with on this site 'junk'. It takes a bit of time
> for
> >> everyone
> >> to get their interests mentioned. Addressing them will come
> >> eventually, for
> >> those of us who haven't found answers, as yet. In the meantime,
> I
> >> scan each
> >> post, save those which may have a tie-in, or which are just so
> >> entertaining,
> >> and enjoy the camaraderie.
> >> Enough 'junk' from me!
> >> My MORGAN line came from NE to Va>MD>NC>SC>GA(?)>FL. I'm
> reasonably
> >> sure
> >> they were of Quaker faith and am interested in the migration of
> >> Quaker
> >> families, from 1636- 1850.
> >> Mr. Wylie, with your vast knowledge, do you know anything about
> the
> >> guerrilla bands, or Union Men, who fought against the CSA, in
> >> Florida, and
> >> eventually became the 2nd Fl Cavalry, USA? To complicate things,
> >> there was
> >> also a 2nd Fl Cavalry, CSA!
> >> God bless, Carolyn
> >>
> >>
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