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From: Bill Reque <>
Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG-D Digest V01 #889
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:44:13 -0700
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Bill Reque
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> Subject:
>
> TMG-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 889
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 Re[2]: [TMG] Julian Days [Eric Haas <>]
> #2 [TMG] Weird List Messages ["Cheri Casper" <]
> #3 Re: [TMG] Split citation details i ["Kathy Tabb" <]
> #4 Re: [TMG] Date [Richard Brogger <]
> #5 Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages [Richard Brogger <]
> #6 [TMG] Zip.dll explanation ["Kathryn Bassett" <]
> #7 [TMG] Julian days []
> #8 Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages ["Cheri Casper" <]
> #9 [TMG] 2 ??'s ["Stew & Mary Gail" <stew&]
> #10 Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages []
> #11 Re: [TMG] York System [Barbara Leak <]
> #12 Re: [TMG] Problems with a new inst ["Peter B.Hill" <]
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> Subject: Re[2]: [TMG] Julian Days
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:09:00 -0400
> From: Eric Haas <>
> To:
>
> Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:43:59 PM, you wrote:
>
> RB> I have proposed that TMG store dates as Julian days. The Julian day
> RB> of a given day is equal to the number of days since noon (UTC),
> RB> January 1, 4713 BCE, the start of the Julian period. Algorithms
> RB> exist to convert Julian, Gregorian, Roman, Chinese, Hebrew and many
> RB> other calendar dates to and from the Julian day.
>
> RB> Since the
> RB> Julian period will take 7,980 years to repeat, I doubt many will
> RB> have a problem with those limits.
>
> I agree it would make sense to have the dates stored internally in
> some universal format and, then converted to/from the user's preferred
> calendar for data entry and display.
>
> I don't know what you mean by the Julian period "repeating," however.
> The day number just keeps increasing by one, no need to repeat. If
> stored in a 32-bit integer, you can keep counting the days until
> shortly before the year 6,000,000 AD.
>
> ______________________________
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> Subject: [TMG] Weird List Messages
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:49:39 -0700
> From: "Cheri Casper" <>
> To:
>
> Is anyone else getting weird list messages? I got one that popped today
> that was dated Feb. 23! It was a reply that I had sent to the list all
> those months ago.
>
> Do-do, do-do, do-do.
>
> Cheri Casper
>
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>
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> Subject: Re: [TMG] Split citation details in endnotes ...TA DAAAA!
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:10:10 -0400
> From: "Kathy Tabb" <>
> To:
>
> I think I've got it!!! Here's what I learned from running more
> reports with endnotes than I could count.
>
> Turn off Unique end/footnotes.
> Using 2 CDs only, enter xxx||xxx.
> Using 3 CDs, enter xxx||xxx||xxx
> Using 1st and 3rd, enter xxx|| ||xxx (2 bars, a space and 2 more
> bars).
>
> Big light-bulb moment (aka "duh" moment -- I just knew I had one,
> but not 2!):
> 1) If you want CDs 2 and 3 in the short footnotes, you gotta
> enter the reference to those CDs in the Short Footnote's sentence
> structure. And,
> 2) The CD2 and/or CD3 have to be in the tag's Citation Detail
> screen. I really don't understand why TMG cannot read my mind. .
> . .<g>
>
> Am so glad I got this part figured out (at least it works for
> now) but of course now I have another problem and that is how
> come colons (:) don't print out? For example my FF contains
> <Citation source: [CD3]> Everything prints but the colon. And
> how come sometimes periods print automatically and other times, I
> enter them and they don't print and sometimes I get two? I think
> this has been covered so I'll look around but if anyone has this
> information at the tip of their fingers, let us know, ok?
>
> Thanks for all the help and suggestions. It's this great
> communication that helps to get the brain cells working. Great
> synergy!!
>
> Kathy Tabb
>
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> Subject: Re: [TMG] Date
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:52:31 -0500
> From: Richard Brogger <>
> To:
>
> Richard Damon wrote:
> >
> > One problem with Julian days are inexact dates. How would you express Jan
> > 1820 as a Julian date. I suppose it could be converted to "between 01 Jan
> > 1820 and 31 Jan 1820" but that reads wrong, also it would not handle "From
> > Jan 1820 to Mar 1820" since TMG does not support periods with ranges at the
> > ends (it can only store 2 dates for a date with modifiers).
> >
> > How do you handle the data 1 Jan (no year)?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> There is a difference between a text string, like 1 Jan, and a
> date. TMG can not perform calculations on 1 Jan vs. 15 Sep. Just
> because the range of dates handled by TMG is extended to a 7,980
> year period that began January 1, 4713 BCE, does not mean the user
> can't enter dates just as they do now. If the entry is irregular,
> it will remain irregular. What it does mean is that I could enter
> 28.09.6 BC and TMG could calculate when that was in relation to
> 14.04.30 AD or today's date.
>
> The precision of Julian days does not require any change. If you
> enter born 14 Feb 1852 - died 11 Mar 1911 that is what you will
> see. If you have the knowledge of hours and the desire to be
> precise, TMG could adjust those two dates to a standard by allowing
> for the fact that the birth was in Berlin and the death in Los
> Angeles. Just because the ability for greater precision is
> available does not mean a user is required to use it.
>
> How the date is stored is important, TMG can not store many dates as
> it is now. If the means of storage has to be changed, I suggest the
> Julian day because it is a standard that is widely used. One that
> already has the algorithms for conversion to and from other date
> systems. Since events in the sky were often refered to, astronomers
> know or can calculate when the event occurred. Since astronomers use
> Julian days, it seems like a good standard for storing dates. What
> would you prefer?
>
> I disagree about not needing date conversion. I think most people
> want to convert to a system they are familiar with. Many dates in
> the Bible are given as something like the 7th day of the 4th month
> of the 8th year of the reign of a king. Since this was also done in
> England, we have a Regnal date converter. It must be because folks
> want to convert dates. I am not seeking a Regnal date converter
> but, if I can calculate what it is, I would like to be able to enter
> a BCE date instead of a text string.
>
> Richard Brogger
>
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>
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>
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:59:18 -0500
> From: Richard Brogger <>
> To:
>
> Gee Cheri, what time zone are you in? <vbg>
>
> Cheri Casper wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone else getting weird list messages? I got one that popped today
> > that was dated Feb. 23! It was a reply that I had sent to the list all
> > those months ago.
> >
> > Do-do, do-do, do-do.
> >
> > Cheri Casper
> >
> > ==== TMG Mailing List ====
> > TMG v5.0 is still in development. Wholly Genes has stated that they will release it when it is ready.
>
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>
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>
> Subject: [TMG] Zip.dll explanation
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:18:51 -0700
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <>
> To:
>
> Thought someone else might benefit from a problem I had. I was getting a zip.dll
> error when backing up. The problem turned out to be that the (cycled) backup I
> was trying to overwrite had somehow become write-protected. As soon as I went
> into properties, and took out the checkmark, I was then able to backup with no
> problem. I've no idea how it came to be write protected, but I'm glad I at least
> thought to check out that possibility. Hope this note keeps someone else from
> going crazy.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
>
> http://bassett.net
>
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>
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>
> Subject: [TMG] Julian days
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:31:53 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> I agree that the Julian day would be good way to normalize dates from all
> calendars. Julian days are not political or nationalistic. They aren't New
> Style or Old Style. It is just the number of days from an arbitrary
> reference day. Astronomers and rocket scientists have been using Julian days
> for years with some success. Perhaps this is the time for genealogists to
> adopt the same technique.
>
> With the magic of software, this all would happen in the background. The
> user simply would provide the 'date' and the software would do the
> conversion. The user WOULD need to define the calendar for which the date is
> being input, but most of us do this by assumption, already.
>
> This could be a real advantage for TMG to be the first to adopt this simple
> time-keeping technique. But maybe for Version 6.0 .....
>
> DICK FOLKERTH
> Dallas
>
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>
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> Subject: Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:48:22 -0700
> From: "Cheri Casper" <>
> To:
>
> In all seriousness . . . I had a message show up today that was dated 2/23
> as the sent date in the message header. I think I am in the Twilight Zone!
> <g>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Brogger" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages
>
> > Gee Cheri, what time zone are you in? <vbg>
> >
> > Cheri Casper wrote:
> > >
> > > Is anyone else getting weird list messages? I got one that popped today
> > > that was dated Feb. 23! It was a reply that I had sent to the list all
> > > those months ago.
> > >
> > > Do-do, do-do, do-do.
> > >
> > > Cheri Casper
> > >
> > > ==== TMG Mailing List ====
> > > TMG v5.0 is still in development. Wholly Genes has stated that they
> will release it when it is ready.
> >
> >
> > ==== TMG Mailing List ====
> > Family Tree SuperTools (FTST) is still being developed. Wholly Genes has
> stated that they will release it when it is ready.
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________
>
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>
> Subject: [TMG] 2 ??'s
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:38:48 -0800
> From: "Stew & Mary Gail" <stew&>
> To:
>
> Hello to all,
>
> Although I have been using TMG for a few years- I admit I have just been using the basics and never gotten too far. But now, I am getting more serious here- I have searched the manual, searched the internet pages and still have the following 2 questions-
>
> I am trying to make my original data set only to original US immigrants- and making separate data sets for the various immigrants containing the non-US data. (So I can print out a chart to original immigrants only- perhaps there is another way?)
>
> ?- I figured out how to make the data sets but do NOT want to have to manually delete these non-US individuals from my original data set. How can I set it NOT to copy- but rather extract the set- I followed pg 132 of manual but it copies rather than extracts- what am I doing wrong?
>
> ? I am trying to clean up my original data set and make a list of all those that are not ancestors, siblings of ancestors, spouses of ancestors and my own descendants with spouses. I have figured out the filter group for non- descendants and non- ancestors, and their spouses, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to keep siblings from showing up on the list.
> I figure if I can get a list then I can go and delete those that are floating around- is this the best way or is there a better way?
>
> MANY THANKS!
> Mary Gail
>
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>
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>
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Weird List Messages
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:39:31 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> Don't worry, Cheri, you weren't alone in getting that message. It came to me,
> so I'd assume it came to the entire list. I suspect that the original 2/23
> message got stuck (in a time warp?) somewhere, or the person replying had
> mislaid it until now.
>
> Fran
>
> Cheri wrote:
> << In all seriousness . . . I had a message show up today that was dated 2/23
> as the sent date in the message header. I think I am in the Twilight Zone!
> <g> >>
>
> Fran Anderson
> Olympia, WA, USA
>
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>
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> Subject: Re: [TMG] York System
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:50:54 -0700
> From: Barbara Leak <>
> To:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > So the only difference between Henry and York is that 10 is an "O"
> > instead of an "X" ?
>
> They are two variations on a theme.
>
> It appears to me that TMG conforms to the following conventions:
>
> Henry System - "double digit children" are placed in parentheses. E.g.
> 184(10)3622
>
> Modified Henry System - the 10th child is designated by the letter "A", the
> 11th child "B", etc. E.g. 184A3622
>
> d'Aboville System - the generations are separated by periods. E.g.
> 1.8.4.10.3.6.2.2
>
> I have seen the use of an "X" for the 10th child, followed by "A" for the
> 11th child, referred to as the Index System.
>
> One of the first published genealogies I ever encountered used another
> variation. The sons were designated by numbers. The daughters were
> designated by letters. Thus, "1" was the 1st son, "2" was the 2nd son, "A"
> was the 1st daughter, "B" was the 2nd daughter. The sons were always listed
> first. It took me awhile to figure out how every mother consistently managed
> to give birth to all of her sons before having any daughters. <g>
>
> Barbara
>
> ______________________________
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [TMG] Problems with a new installation
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:00:25 -0400
> From: "Peter B.Hill" <>
> To:
>
> Hi Bob:-
>
> Thanks for your response. You may have missed my second message, sent
> almost immediately after my first, where I suddenly realized how to restore
> the custom toolbar entries.
>
> As for the other problem- the one where the system gets blown away when you
> try to open the Master Source List and then start typing in the approximate
> location in the list you want to go to - I ended up calling Wholly Genes.
> Dave Conover recognized my problem immediately; and said that it is a
> problem between TMG and most "new" operating systems:Windows 2000, Windows
> XT, whatever. There is no fix for it; and all we can do is wait for 5.0,
> which will not have the problem.
>
> So it wasn't a problem with my not transferring things to my new system
> which I thought was the problem, as apparently you did, too.
>
> In answer to your next question, he said, 5.0 is in beta testing, and no
> release date has been announced.
>
> At 08:15 AM 8/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Peter go to your old computer and make a backup of your data sets and
> >your TMG config.
> >
> >Delete TMGW and the data sets from the new computer. Reinstall TMG and
> >upgrades. Restore your data sets from a floppy or ZIP disk and your
> >config. YOu should be up and running.
> >
> >bob gillis
> >
> >"Peter B.Hill" wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently got a new computer and re-installed TMG. I moved the files
> > > wholesale from my old computer to the new one, told TMG where the new files
> > > were and fired it up. Everything seemed to be more or less normal, but I
> > > have found a couple of problems.
> > >
> > > The first is that when I bring up the Master Source List and start to type
> > > in a name to move the cursor to the area of interest, I get blown away with
> > > a message telling me that there is no memory available, or something to
> > > that effect. This in a system with 256 MB! I assume that somehow, I have
> > > neglected to retrieve and install some file, and that this is my punishment
> > > for that oversight.
> > >
> > > The other problem is that, on the old system, I had created a number of
> > > radio buttons which allowed me to move to the screen for the current
> > > individual's father, mother, spouse, sibling, brother or sister. In the
> > > event of more than one brother, for instance, I got a list, to select the
> > > one I wanted.
>
> <snip>
>
> Pete Hill

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