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From: Kathleen Paton <>
Subject: RE: [TMG] Indiv Narrative w/ Burial Information
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:13:49 -0500
In-Reply-To: <3FF6E698.1050000@austin.rr.com>


Thank you Elizabeth & Bob. I think I may have it. Although I've been using
TMG for a few years, I haven't paid too much attention to most of the
reports (as you can tell). Until you mentioned [WO] I had never noticed it
although I now see it in "Getting the Most Out of . . . " which I had been
reading.

For the Principal's Sentence I have: [P] is buried in this plot with <[WO]>
(I have only one principal and any others are witnesses.)

For the Witness Sentence: [W] is buried in the same plot as [P] <in addition
to [WO]>

The [WO] appears to pick up either one witness or many in the Principal's
sentence. I will add the location, etc. after I get the basic sentence
right.

The sentences seem to be too simple, but they appear to print alright. Do
you see anything I am missing?

Thanks again,

Kathleen



-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Churchett [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:58 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [TMG] Indiv Narrative w/ Burial Information

bob gillis wrote:

>Elizabeth Churchett wrote:
>
>
>>All would be fine for the person attached in the Principal (primary)
>>Role. For instance, you might have a Sentence Structure for the
>>Principal Role something like (without the quotes) "[P] was buried
>><[L]><. Others also buried in this plot are [W].>" That would generate
>>a sentence like this: "Jennifer was buried in plot 13 of the Calvary
>>Cemetery in Youngstown, Ohio. Others also buried in this plot are John
>>Doe, Karen Doe, Juliette Doe, and James Dean."
>>
>>
>>
>You need "Others also buried in this plot are [WO]".
>
Well, sort of--in the Sentence for the Principal Role, which is what's
in the above paragraph, it could just be [W] and that would be fine.
The complications arise for the Witness Sentence Structures. You are
saying, I think, that you could have the Sentence Structure "[W] was
buried <[L]> along with [P]< and [WO]>. I don't know if [WO] can be
placed in conditional brackets like that, which it needs to be to
accommodate situations where only two people are teogether. Right?

>> The problem comes in crafting a Sentence Structure for the Witness Role,
>>as TMG does not yet have a full complement of witness variables to use.
>> Specifically, I do not know of a way to tell the Sentence to
>>differentiate between the person attached in the Witness Role who is the
>>subject of the IN, and the others attached in the Witness Role.
>> (There's no variable such as WO for other witnesses.)
>>
>>
>>
>
>Was WO dropped in VER 5.x? I doubt it.
>

Well, of course it was not dropped--oops on my part and thanks for
pointing it out. I went back and checked my notes as I'd gotten caught
by this in a major way last September. WO is still present; what is
missing is an equivalent when Roles other than Witness are used--i.e., a
variable such as RO:Rolename that would list others attached to the
Role, rather than all other Witnesses (as that might include others
listed in different Roles).

James Colgate (a former list member) sent out a summary last March of
how some of the variables behave in various situations; here's what he
sent regarding W and WO "when the *witness* is the *subject* of his own
narrative:
[W] returns only the one witness who is the subject, but not the other
witnesses

[WO] returns the names of all the witnesses EXCEPT the one who is the
subject of this narrative (the Principal does not show up here, but anyone
ascribed to other rolenames, and indeed anyone assigned simply the [W]
variable, will show up) "

So Kathleen's solution could be much simpler--she can do it without
creating her own Roles, as long as she modifies the Principal and
Witness structures appropriately and doesn't mind having to manually fix
output when there are only two total people in the same grave/plot.

--Elizabeth
Austin, Texas

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