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From: Elizabeth Churchett <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] Indiv Narrative w/ Burial Information
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:54:53 -0600
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I agree with that, as long as all witnesses are attached using the same
Role, as is the case here. I meant that to be clear in my final
paragraph below; sorry if it wasn't.

--Elizabeth

bob gillis wrote:

>What I am saying that using WO negates the _need_ for all the roles in
>the principal's Burial Tag.
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>bob gillis
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>Elizabeth Churchett wrote:
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>>bob gillis wrote:
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>>>Elizabeth Churchett wrote:
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>>>>All would be fine for the person attached in the Principal (primary)
>>>>Role. For instance, you might have a Sentence Structure for the
>>>>Principal Role something like (without the quotes) "[P] was buried
>>>><[L]><. Others also buried in this plot are [W].>" That would generate
>>>>a sentence like this: "Jennifer was buried in plot 13 of the Calvary
>>>>Cemetery in Youngstown, Ohio. Others also buried in this plot are John
>>>>Doe, Karen Doe, Juliette Doe, and James Dean."
>>>>
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>>>You need "Others also buried in this plot are [WO]".
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>>Well, sort of--in the Sentence for the Principal Role, which is what's
>>in the above paragraph, it could just be [W] and that would be fine.
>> The complications arise for the Witness Sentence Structures. You are
>>saying, I think, that you could have the Sentence Structure "[W] was
>>buried <[L]> along with [P]< and [WO]>. I don't know if [WO] can be
>>placed in conditional brackets like that, which it needs to be to
>>accommodate situations where only two people are teogether. Right?
>>
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>>>>The problem comes in crafting a Sentence Structure for the Witness Role,
>>>>as TMG does not yet have a full complement of witness variables to use.
>>>>Specifically, I do not know of a way to tell the Sentence to
>>>>differentiate between the person attached in the Witness Role who is the
>>>>subject of the IN, and the others attached in the Witness Role.
>>>>(There's no variable such as WO for other witnesses.)
>>>>
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>>>Was WO dropped in VER 5.x? I doubt it.
>>>
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>>Well, of course it was not dropped--oops on my part and thanks for
>>pointing it out. I went back and checked my notes as I'd gotten caught
>>by this in a major way last September. WO is still present; what is
>>missing is an equivalent when Roles other than Witness are used--i.e., a
>>variable such as RO:Rolename that would list others attached to the
>>Role, rather than all other Witnesses (as that might include others
>>listed in different Roles).
>>
>>James Colgate (a former list member) sent out a summary last March of
>>how some of the variables behave in various situations; here's what he
>>sent regarding W and WO "when the *witness* is the *subject* of his own
>>narrative:
>>[W] returns only the one witness who is the subject, but not the other
>>witnesses
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>>[WO] returns the names of all the witnesses EXCEPT the one who is the
>>subject of this narrative (the Principal does not show up here, but anyone
>>ascribed to other rolenames, and indeed anyone assigned simply the [W]
>>variable, will show up) "
>>
>>So Kathleen's solution could be much simpler--she can do it without
>>creating her own Roles, as long as she modifies the Principal and
>>Witness structures appropriately and doesn't mind having to manually fix
>>output when there are only two total people in the same grave/plot.
>>
>>--Elizabeth
>>Austin, Texas
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