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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Re: [TMG] Spouses even though no marriage shown?
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:46 +0100
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In message of 2 Jul, "Jim Byram" <> wrote:

> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
>
> > But for the couples with two people, all the marriage flags are set.
> > This can be seen by running a report for couples in the "Find Anything"
> > window. Then when the couples are shown, select that one of the three
> > columns shows their Marriage Status. The setting may be any of
> > "Marriage", "Unmarried", "Divorced", etc.
>
> That's not what I see. I see no way to determine the setting of the
> Marriage flag with the report. The Marriage Status flag (a different
> flag) can be used for this report.
> Find Anything report
> Couples
> Marriage Status Is (parameter)
> Parameter: (blank), Divorce, Separation, Annulment

The full list of such parameters - which cannot be altered - can be
seen by going to the top menu bar of the Generations window and
selecting these:

Options > Define > Family Fields > Marriage tab (or leaf)

The six possible values for Marriage shown there are:

Annulment
Common Law
Divorce
Marriage
Separation
Unmarried

and, in fact, blank.

>
> I tested all varieties of this report to confirm the outcomes.
> If I run:
> Marriage Status Is Marriage
> I get: 'There are No Matches' because 'Marriage' is not a Married Status
> flag setting.

This is where our mileages differ and I simply cannot understand how or
why it returns: 'There are No Matches'. I do not get this response
to that query and can only assume you have selected or typed something
slightly different to me!

I can enter up the following criterion for _Couples_ in the three
columns of a "Find Anything" query:

<Marriage Status> <Is> <Marriage>

where the first two are selected from a menu and the third is typed in.
(It is important that the last entry is spelt "Marriage"; "Married" or
"Marriage " [with a space on the end] will not do.)

The Found List that results gives (in my database) thousands of such
couples with a marriage status of Marriage.

>
> The report does not have a 'Married' filter to list couples with the
> various Marriage flag settings. I guess that Marriage Status Is
> (blank) sort of does this through the back door but it clearly does
> not reflect the actual status for the Marriage flag.

The way to get such a 'Married' filter to list couples with the various
Marriage flag settings is as follows: List all couples and then you can
see all the values given for the Marriage Status flag. This selection is
done by this choice for _Couples_ in the "Find Anything" window:

<# of Spouses> (less Than> <8>

Then choose to show these columns in the resulting "Found List" display:

Marriage Status
# of Spouses
# of Children

One evident fact is that where the "# of spouses" is 1, the marriage
status is almost always blank. The only non-blank statuses are when
some data is entered for the marriage (place, date, etc) but the spouse
is left blank (just don't ask why or how I managed to enter these up!).

And when the "# of Spouses" is 2, the marriage Status always has one
parameter of the six values listed above. There are no dual-spouse
marriages with a blank status.

You will also note that normally the "# of Spouses" has only two values,
1 and 2. But it is also possible to have 0 spouses where both are blank
(and these are a trifle difficult to remove but that is outside the
scope of the present discussion).

So far our mileages have varied on what we find in Generations. Until
we can agree on what we find, it is not worth investigating what happens
in TMG. So I will stop here and ask what do you find different to what I
have written above?

<snip>

Currently my view remains that TMG is either picking up the Marriage
Status flag wrongly or, more likely, picking up a different flag.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

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