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From: Lee Hoffman <>
Subject: RE: [TMG] v5.15 - Use of Name-Mar tag
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:16:29 -0400
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Martin Jackson wrote:
>From: bob gillis [mailto:]
>
>Martin Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Good morning Listers,
> > I have elected to Prompt for Married Names and to copy Date field for
> > Marriage. When I enter a marriage, the names in the Name-Mar tag that are
> > automatically filled are Surname and SortSurname only ( by design?).>
>
>Yes by design. The given name is filled from the primary Name Var Tag.
>MJ in 'my' Name-Marr tag, I see only Surname and SortName, I would
>like her forename to have been written in, at least

But the only place you will see this information without the Given Name is
in the Person View of the Details Window. Since the Primary Name Tag is
shown at the top of this window and if it would (normally) be the same,
then the added information is redundant.
By having the Name-Marr Tag, you allow TMG to "index" the name both by the
Primary name as well as the married name and TMG will automatically pick up
the Primary Given Name when it indexes the married name (in other words,
TMG will "imply" the Given Name for the Name-Marr Tag from the Primary name
of the person). Thus the only time you need to enter a Given Name in a
Name-Marr Tag is when it is different than the Given Name in the Primary
Name Tag.


> > I would like to have GivenName and Suffix entered automatically, too if
> > possible.>
>
>Why do you want a Suffix entered?
>MJ In the Tag Entry screen, I am offered names derived from Primary
>Name or
>Name-Var or Name-Marr, I wish to use the details that are stored in
>Name-Marr in all tags post her Marriage, in the form Jane Bull nee Jones
>(where Jane is in the Name-Marr field of GivenName, Bull has been derived
>from Surname, the surname of her husband and nee Jones from Suffix that has
>been derived from her Maiden surname and the word nee prepended using J.C's
>Utils. I then use the name in a sentence that outputs in a form similar to
>the following: Jane Smith nee Jones was Buried etc.

Suffixes do not normally transfer to a woman from her husband. Thus a wife
would not be called something like: "Mrs. Jane Smith Jr.". On the other
hand and consistent with the last sentence of my response above, if the
married name is "Mrs. Joseph Smith Jr." then you would need to enter the
Prefix, Given Name, and Suffix in the Name-Marr Tag.


> > I have manually entered these fields in most cases at the time of entry of
> > the Marriage, but find that I still have 1017 persons who need to be
>updated
> > [BORING !]>
>
>In Ver 4 and I assume in Ver 5 also, if you have any other field but the
>Surname populated, the Suppress Married Names in a Journal Report will
>not work and the sentence "Her married name was xxxxx" will print. I do
>not know if having a Suffix will cause this.
>MJ I do not 'see' this in my version of TMG, it appears to print
>fully as I
>would expect.
>
>If woman does not assume her husband's surname at marriage, then having
>a Nam-Marr with her birth name will print and show that she did not change
>it.
>MJ in my project of some 14000 persons, I do not have any record of a
>woman
>who has not adopted the husband's surname !!! To be fair I DO NOT use the
>tag Name-Marr in my Reports, excluding it by not selecting the tag in the
>Report, but use the name format that it produces to show her married name
>and maiden name in various tags sentences, in Reports.

Yes, and it also allows her to be found under her husband's name in the
Picklist and Project Explorer. These automatically pick up the Given Name
if it is not entered. Thus there is no need to enter the Given Name in the
Name-Marr Tag.

Now I use the word "need" above advisedly. If you think the Given Name
should be entered in the Name-Marr Tag (when it is the same as that of the
Primary Name Tag), then it is needed. However, based on the provisions of
TMG, it is a lot of extra work that in my opinion you do not "need" to do.

Hope this helps -

Lee Hoffman/KY
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