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From: Donald Joseph Schulteis <>
Subject: RE: [TMG] SSDI- sentence changes
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 04:35:25 -0700 (PDT)


Jill, one last note ...

If all else fails,

Run a list-of-people report filtering on

death tag is not 0 and
residence tag is not 0 [and/end]
memo contains (if you like) end

This will at least eliminate all living individuals who have a residence tag
and isolate the report to those who have died and have a residence tag.

If you have also cited to a SSDI source, you could secondary output from the above run creating a new temporary project. Then, run the list of citation report against this temporary project. This should minimize the number of individuals/instances in question. When you are through, delete the new temporary project; don't make changes to that project.

Donald


Donald Joseph Schulteis <> wrote:
Jill,

Another thought.

Assume when used you cite the SSDI. If so, run a list of citations on that number and ignore those that don't identify "residence".

Just a thought.

Hope the number is far less than 1649.

Donald

Jill Morelli <> wrote:
Donald,

I will have a lot....1000+ (actually, with the new feature....~1649 times!!)

See below in CAPS (with apologies for "yelling".)

-----Original Message-----

As you seem to be a role person, I would establish a role so that I
wouldn't need to modify it in any way, just assign it. OK, THAT WORKS.

If you are going to have the sentence identify his or her, establish a his
sentence and a her sentence. NO PROBLEM. I CAN DO THIS.

Assume if you use M1, you also use M2, maybe M3. Not knowing what you
have, it is difficult to suggest what you might do. I HAVE AN [M2] BUT IT
IS USED RARELY, MAYBE ZERO TIMES.

But you could run a list-of-people filtering on memo or M1 = to your
value, one for his and one for her, and identify who needs to be changed.
If you don't have a lot, I probably would do the changes manually.
THAT'S THE DELIMMA, I DO HAVE A LOT AND NOT EVERY RES TAG ASSOCIATED WITH A
DEATH SHOULD BE CHANGED ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE USING THE SSDI.

CERTAINLY THE EXISTING SENTENCE IS NOT "BAD". I COULD MAKE THE NEW SENTENCE
AND THEN CHANGE THE ROLE OUT AS I ACCESS THE PV.

THANKS FOR YOU THOUGHTS ON THIS.

Jill



Donald

Jill Morelli wrote:
Colleagues,

You have now convinced me of the need to change the sentence for my after
death residence. I would like to insert some clarity into the sentence like
Donald has suggested, but I need help in knowing how to do this.

My present mode of operation is....

Using the standard RES tag I have a custom role called NoCR|| This allows me
to have a sentence with no carriage return but with a structure that uses
[M1] to insert a variety of qualifying phrases at the front part of the
sentence...e.g.

At the time of his death, Fred resided in Long Beach, California.

I have consistently used "At the time of his/her death|| as the [M1] for
these SSN residence tags. They also consistently fall immediately after the
death tag.

I would now like to change "At the time of his/her death||" to "According to
the Social Security Administration||" where the SSDI is the source of
information.

This is where I need your help. It appears that I could make a new role,
called SSN-res that "hardwires" the phrase into the sentence and using
John's Utility, set a flag and change to the new role. Would that work?

OR

Could I keep the same generic sentence and change only the [M1} to read
correctly? If this is a possibility, how would I do this?

Either way I have to set a filter to obtain the right folks to make the
change on. I am looking at the List of Events (LOE) report as a possible
for this...

Would the filter look something like this?

Memo1/contains/At the time of his death||/or
Memo1/contains/At the time of her death||/end

Somehow this doesn't seem like enough qualifiers. I believe I need to make
sure the death occurred in the US or after 1950 or has a source of SSDI or
something like that to distinguish it from the ones where the parish records
in Germany list a residence at time of death. What would you suggest?

After I get the filter right then I would set a flag for the identification.
(I know how to make the flag and set the secondary output.)

Any assistance is greatly appreciated. This is outside my comfort level
with TMG but I would like to change the narrative output based on this
conversation.

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Jill



-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Joseph Schulteis [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:31 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [TMG] SSDI

Richard, thanks for the insight.

To address the possible ambiguity in the address, I choose to include "...
reported by the Social Security Administration ..."

While a disclaimer is not obvious, never the less it is there.

If I am able to confirm the address, although I don't go out of my way to
do so, I change the tag from "ResidenceS" to "Residence".

Thanks.

Donald


"Richard A. Pence" wrote:
"Donald Joseph Schulteis" wrote, among other
things:
> When there are more than one, I identify only county, state, country
> and zipcode.

I haven't encountered one with more than one address, but in any case I
wanted to alert you to one thing in case you haven't thought of it. The
file as it is sent by the Social Security Administration to
RootsWeb.com, Genealogy.com, Ancestry.com, etc., does not contain the
city, county and state - it has only the ZIP code and that ZIP is the
ZIP of the address *at the time of death*. The entities that post the
SSDI add the city and county by matching the ZIP to the current ZIP code
directory. There have been a great many changes in ZIP codes in the more
than 40 years since the database was begun. This means that the city and
county shown may not be the same place the ZIP code described at the
time of death.

> I do share place of last residence using the tag ResidenceS. It
> reads-
>
> [P] was reported by the Social Security Administrations as living in
> [L] at the time of death.

Although the on-line SSDI databases usually describe the place field as
"Last Residence" or similar, it may or may not have been the person's
last address. It more accurately is "address of record." People move
without changing their Social Security address - especially in this day
and age when the checks are electronically deposited. I had an aunt who
moved to Florida from Minnesota many years before she died; the SSDI
still had her Minnesota address.

Richard Pence



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