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From: "Kathryn Payne" <>
Subject: [WEBB] WEBB Richard and John
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:59:20 -0400


This might be of some interest to WEBB researchers of Richard and John. I found it in the Journal of the Friends Historical Society, Vol 11, 1914. It is in response to a previous mention that John was Elizabeth's husband and was written by Gilbert COPE to correct the error. At the end of the article he writes:
"John WEBB died in Philadelphia about the yeat 1711, leaving a widow Ann, who subsequently became the wife of Nicolas PYLE, and an only child Susanna, wife of William MONINGTON. He appears to haver been in pretty good circumstances, and by his will gave ?20 to each of his brothers and sisters, and Daniel WEBB - the last being in Great Britain. He also gave his wearing apparel to his kinsman, Joseph Webb, son of Hannah LEA, of Chester County."

There are a number of references in these Journals due to Elizabeth being a Quaker minister, but I don't have them all sorted out yet and most only add to what is already known. Also I haven't gone through all the Journals yet. They are tucked away on a shelf at Columbia University and covered with dust and my allergies got the best of me yesterday.

I also found this interesting bit of information on a website: http://www.itsjudy.com/copeland/d1636.htm

>From "The William and Mary College Quarterly", Vol. 7, page 212: " After the restoration of King Charles II in 1660, the Quakers had a strong following -especially in the upper Parish (Virginia). the able lawyer and preacher, Thomas Story of Philadelphia, came in 1699 and in 1705 and held many open and comfortable meetings in this and other parts of Virginia... And at Chuckatuck, he met "his ancient friend" Elizabeth Webb of Gloucestershire, England, and John Copeland, who at his request, showed him his mutilated ear, he being one of the first of those who had their right ear cut by the Presbyterians, or Independents of New England."

"John Copeland, age 19" is listed as one of the 218 "passengers for Virginia 1635 in New England and Historical and Genealogical Record, Vol. 5," and may be the "John, a Quaker who came to Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts on the 'Speedwell' in 1656 and was whipped and driven from the Colony on account of his religion".
These records fit so near completely that it is believed that Joseph Copeland, grandson of Thomas Taberer, was also the grandson of John Copeland. And that this John, who was beaten and run out of Plymouth Colony about 1656, is the same as Jo, who took passage for Virginia in 1635- and the same as John, who showed his mutilated ear to Thomas Story in 1699 or 1705 at the home of his cousin Elizabeth Copeland Webb of Gloucestershire, England . .

It is a little confusing, but I have written to the person on whose website I found it for clearification and to find out about Elizabeth COPELAND WEBB of Gloucester, England. Thomas STORY makes mention of this meeting that occurred in Virginia in his travel writings. He mentions both the mutilated ear and meeting Elizabeth (and it is clear she is Richard's wife in his account.) It appears that the meeting happened about 1699 not 1705 in STORY's writing, and Elizabeth was there at that time, getting ready to return to England from the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia.
The COPELAND's were originally from Lancashire, England and there is a record of an Elizabeth COWPLAND b. 31 August 1662 in Tatham, Lancashire, father Henery COWPLAND. Elizabeth WEBB didn't become a Quaker until she was about 19, so her birth would have been recorded in the church records.

However, if John WEBB only had one chid, Susanna, then who is the John WEBB who married Mary BOONE? There were not many WEBB living in that area in the early 1700s - there were John and Richard, but also Elizabeth and Robert WEBB. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Songhurst. Robert wasn't a Quaker though he is listed in Hinshaw's as having died in 1700. Whether or not they had a son named John has yet to be discovered. Elizabeth later married Samuel Richardson.

Well, that is a far as I have gotten now.
Kathryn







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